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J and Beyond 2011 Netherlands - Day 3

May 8th, 2011 at 9:58 PM CEST in Events

Today was the last day of J & Beyond 2011. What follows is a day report for this final day (check out the reports on day 1 and day 2 or the pictures we've made).

'Joomla Leadership Lessons Learned' by Ryan Ozimek

In these reports I've already written more than enough about the fact that I think Ryan is a great speaker, so I'll talk no more about that in this report. The talk was solid, and unfortunately was more similar to the one he gave at the Joomladays Netherlands than I had hoped. Due to having to leave 'early' for another session, I didn't see the Q&A round that went on after the presentation. If anyone reading this did, please put any interesting questions and answers in the comments area.

'Taking SEO Seriously Within a Next Generation Joomla Webshop Component.' by Ronni Christiansen

While I'm sure Ronni has the best intentions regarding SEO for his web shop, the theory behind it lacks ground in my opinion. After Ronni had stated a hard limit of the amount of keywords you can use on a certain page, I asked him for a source of this surprising data. He replied there wasn't really a source other than his own experience. How can you name your presentation 'Taking SEO seriously [...]' and base your SEO strategy on your personal experiences? The hallmark of science (on which serious SEO should be based) is that personal experiences are largely irrelevant because they are often colored, lack controlled variables, have a small sample size, etc. I think Ronni and SEO of the redSHOP component could benefit greatly when he decides to expand his large amount of personal experience in SEO with the latest and greatest in SEO research.

'How to Triforce (Working in 3 Places at Once)' by Stian Didriksen

While I liked the subject and approach of this presentation, the fact that the 'Questions?' sheet was shown after roughly 10 minutes (out of the available 60) disappointed me. Even though I know from personal experience that it can be hard to plan the duration of a presentation by the minute (even after practicing it), giving a 10 minute presentation just doesn't cut it. Had I known this presentation (which was by the way extended by showing some of the new features in NinjaBoard) would last only 10 minutes, I could've (and probably would've) selected another presentation. To all future speakers: please plan and rehearse your presentation so that the people showing up for it get (more or less) what they expect.

Warm Up Session

I didn't attend the formal warm up session as I was warming up in the courtyard by the sun, discussing some business with David from Chill Creations.

'Making Joomla's Admin Interface Awesome' by Kyle Ledbetter

A quality presentation by a great speaker. In 60 minutes, Kyle has led us through the history of Joomla! Administrator template overrides. From the first version of his own template AdminPraise to the last, and going by several other templates, he has shown us what can be done to make the Joomla! Administrator more user friendly. While I personally haven't used any custom Administrator templates yet, I can't wait until a template with the quality of what Kyle was showing us will be integrated into the Joomla 1.8 core.

'SEO Myths Busted' by Theo van der Zee (me!)

After some technical difficulties with my laptop that apparently still fails to output to a beamer (I had the same problem at the Dutch Joomladays a couple weeks ago), I personally think the presentation went pretty well. Even though I'm not used to talking English for a prolonged period of time, I found myself struggling to find the English word I was looking for only a couple of times. The low point of my presentation was a piece of interaction I'd tried to incorporate in the presentation. It involved a mini-interview with somebody from the audience, about the PageRank of their website and whether the thought that number actually influenced his rankings (answers: barely, there is only a 0.18 correlation). First I limited my potential interview targets by asking them who knew what the PageRank of their homepage was. After that I walked to a person in the front and asked him what his PR was, after which he answered: 28, d'oh (no disrespect at all to the gentleman in question, this just shows ever so more that SEO and related aspects are still very much unknown to most people). This rather redicilous answer however dumbfounded me so much however that it took me a couple seconds to get my presentation back on track after it. On top of that, after trying to hit the space bar on my keyboard to proceed to the next sheet, I accidentally hit the 'B' button (I didn't know that at the time as I hit like 5 buttons at once) which apparently causes your whole screen to go black. Luckily our technical guy from ThemePartner Koen Kuipers had quickly fixed this issue for me so that I could continue my presentation afterwards. The rest of the presentation went great, including some tough questions that were asked in the end. I would hereby like to thank everybody who has attended my talk, and have really enjoyed the compliments that were given to me afterwards!

Closing Session

During the closing session there was a round of feedback on the JAB, the organization was thanked for their hard work, and the potential date for J & Beyond 2012 was announced: 18-19-20 of May 2012. I'm sure there is more to come on this subject later!

That sums up JAB 2011. I hope you've all enjoyed our reports on the event and see you all at J & Beyond 2012!

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Ronni K. G. Christiansen

May 9th, 2011 at 3:10 AM CEST
I think you failed to catch the point of what i said was.

Reading the same sources that everyone else does - and copying thier articles and opinions to a powerpoint, doesnt make you an experienced SEO consultant.

Working with it for 10 years+ does.

As i stated a handfull of people know the google algorithm, everyone else is guestimating based on experiences - some by imperical tests in a more formalized way others not but except for the very few times where some formal members of the Google teams actually gives the factual background - _no one_ can claim to have the absolute facts.

Beyond that i think you completely missed the point - Do your foundation before you spent time on linkbuilding etc. - you can do linkbuilding til you die but if your foundation hasnt been done - you wasting your ressources on the wrong priorities - which was my point, pick your fights, do the basics and then you can move on to the external parts.

The goal of my presentation was to help people get the most effect with the smallest amount of ressources and showing them how to do that integrated from a component point of view - in this case from a webshop - so it would be as ressource effecient as possible.

I attended your presentation too - and i think you should consider having a clearer vision of what your goal is the next time or atleast go a bit more in debt so people get more out of it.

Like using no suffixes is good as you said - but if you use something you invent or another filetype ext. then you might do alot worse SERP wise because Google wont think its content so you cant really use anything but dll, exe, ini there is a whole lot more to it and a potential negative penality too.

Also reciprocal linking is good - if the sources you link to has a high "value" - a series of categories could quickly be named (universities, scientific organizations, big recognized communities, narrow subject communities (like forums for users with a narrow subject in relation to your site) etc. would all maximize the potential value - but also just linking to them could also give you more credibility as your organic link structure gets more credible.

In the end a huge impact is actually what you link away on or what you get in, and you did mention the anchor text, but not really the importance or how to shape your SEO value in your internal structure through the anchor text - so that could have been clearer.

Also as i commented on rel=nofollow isnt a mantra to follow - and can be ignored and yes i think you know what i mean by now :)

So where as i knew exactly what you where trying to communicate i am not sure anyone who didnt know it all already would have had the potential benefit out of the presentation as it could have been a bit more indept on those cruzial elements.

But i am sure as you get more experienced you will learn more, even outside of seomoz etc. and that will surely help you to understand that the users or customers needs to know how to get the best results in the time they can afford to use on it - so what becomes the most important to them is to maximize the result of the ressources they spend on SEO :)

Theo

May 9th, 2011 at 11:17 AM CEST
Thanks for taking the time to write the extensive comment above Ronni. I really appreciate the effort you've put into it, and will certainly integrate the feedback you've provided in my future presentations and work. I suggest we discuss our different opinions on this matter further at a next Joomla! event, while having some beers. This to avoid having to type lengthy posts and face potential misunderstanding due to the lack of intonation and body language present in this medium.

Kind regards,
Theo

Ronni K. G. Christiansen

May 9th, 2011 at 1:17 PM CEST
Ill be attending Joomla Day NL next year - so if not before i am looking forward to have a talk then and i think your right its alot easier in person - but i do tend to use exessive smileys to show my good intent :)

Was great beeing at #JAB11 and i am sure we will spent time debating the approaches on SEO next year.

Stian Didriksen

May 16th, 2011 at 12:39 PM CEST
Hi Theo,

I have to admit that I did come very unprepared, and didn't take the talk serious enough to deliver what I promised.

I'm definitely learned my lesson and wont do the same mistake twice.
Next time I'll pick an topic that is easier to talk about (I hate talking about myself, I like more to present/demo stuff I'm working on as it is less personal) and I would prefer it to be something like 30 mins max.

Thanks

Theo

May 16th, 2011 at 12:53 PM CEST
Hi Stian,

Great to hear that you've learned from your 'mistake' and plan to do things differently the next time!

It's funny how you mention that you'd like to speak about a different subject. It actually showed in your body language during your presentation how much you liked to talk about your work rather than yourself. When the video of your talk goes up, I'm sure you'll see the difference in your posture and enthousiasm between the start of the presentation (talking about yourself) and the part where you're talking about NinjaBoard (your work).

Kind regards,
Theo

Stian Didriksen

May 16th, 2011 at 1:06 PM CEST
Yeah, I think the reason for it is that I got zero experience speaking about myself in the spotlight, so I really need to practice a lot before I attempt having a session like this one with an audience.

But the thing is I do have years of experience presenting products and other things. Before Joomla I worked in sales, so I'm very confident on that kind of topics.

Again, if I practiced seriously before the presentation I wouldn't have made the assumption that it would be as easy to talk about yourself as it is about anything.

Also worth pointing out that there were so many great people in the room I was feeling "who am I to give these experienced people advice, when I got just 3 years of experience to show for??".

Thanks again for the feedback :)

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